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How do I know a breeder tests for health?

How do I know a breeder tests for good health?

If you buy from a breeder that does NOT test for the things that concern you, then what do you know about the pup? You need a breeder that has been breeding their own lines for awhile (or has a mentor) and if you buy from a breeder that studies and knows all about thier collies, knows what a healhty conformation means, and knows some of the DNA health tests available.

IF SOMEONE BUYS A PUP FROM A BREEDER THAT IS NOT BREEDING FOR THE BEST OF THE BREED THEN YOU ARE SUPPORTING THAT BREEDER TO KEEP DOING IT.

STUDY ALL BREEDERS BEFORE BELIEVING SOMEONE JUST BECAUSE they look good at first. Look for a balance in it all.

If a breeder breeds for only one thing then other important problems are being ignored.

Breeding for ONE thing is a GIMMICK to make sales.

It is not a sin to make money from breeding collies but think about how much harder it would be for someone that wants money from breeding collies, to really come out ahead if they spend a lot for getting the right breeding collies?

There has to be a balance in all things to get the best of something. Shop around. See the collies in person. Notice if someone claims something that really is not so from what you saw for yourself.

There are some tests available that can rule out some diseases but only a very few so far.There are so many more things in all dogs, not just collies. There are things in humans that can not be known by DNA testing either.

If you buy from a breeder that tests for all the available tests then the breeder has made an informed decision on the parents of the litter.

If a breeder has truly been breeding and showing same lines for many years then they know their lines well ,and might not need all the tests and can still be trusted. But some breeders do not want to waste money . Some breeders do not show , or go out doing things with collies, or compare their collies to others in person. A buyer has a lot to think about in the middle of just trusting a breeder.

With those few special tests available, a bad test parent can be bred to a non carrier of the disease and get pups that will be fine. some might be "carriers' but are perfectly healthy and even 'great' for breeding if the breeder knows what they are breeding together. ( non carriers are hard to find then there is the need to find several non carriers of one each for several tests)

It is difficult to be a breeder that breeds for the tested things and there are millions of bad genes and many risks anyway in all species, so stay away from gimmicks of one or two things.

Do look at breeders that aim for quality. True quality will show up in a healthy collie line that has proven good conformation from a show line or a breeder that learns by doing activities, one that does enough health tests that are available , and that know their own line from a history of activities with their collies,and shows their knowledge by breeding only collies that look like collies that have the value of the price they ask from you.

There are breeders that love the collie so much that their guarantee will cover the risk the best they can. There are people out there that breed the collie as a business income without the love to do real things with their collies.

Keep in mind that all pups are cute and you might be paying a lot of money for pups that will not grow up to look like a collie. The papers do not mean everything. A bad test in one of the parents does not mean your pup will have that problem. It just means the parent is from a breeder that has tested and is doing things to know their lines.But make sure the breeder also does other things with their own collies to keep up their own mind learning about their own collies.

There are many things that no breeder can claim will not happen. Just like with humans we never know when something can pop up wrong later in our own human bodies or family trees.

We, as breeders, can not find or rule out the BAD GENES . Those genes are floating around in ALL DOGS AND ALL COLLIES. it is NOT one of those easy tests where we can get rid of the disease .

Some DNA tests for some diseases are great.

Conformation IS IMPORTANT so do not settle for a 'farm' collie that is not the grand form of beauty! (farm collies carry the diseases also)

There are only some tests that rule out some things. Remember there are many things in ALL dogs of ALL breeds that have Many PROBLEMS that have NO tests to find. Same with humans. It is a toss up of genes. there are some kidney things and hip things and many other things that no breeder can fight away. We can all just try to keep the odds against the bad things.

The DNA tests are expensive and add up and showing is expensive so the price will reflect those costs. Beware that backyard breeders will also ask those prices without the showing, enough tests, or the complete collie knowledge.

There are new breeders that have no collies from their 'own' breedings. So be careful that two collies bred together from well known champion line does NOT mean you are getting a healthy breeding. Only the original breeder knew those choices, not always the new breeder or back yard breeder. Be careful.Two champions bred together can make problem pups with terrible conformation problems if the breeder was not the original breeder or not mentored by the original breeder.

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		How do I know a breeder tests for good health? If you buy from a breeder that does NOT test for the things that concern you, then what do you know about the pup? You need a breeder that has been breeding their own lines for awhile (or has a mentor) and if you buy from a breeder that studies and knows all about thier collies, knows what a healhty conformation means, and knows some of the DNA health tests available. IF SOMEONE BUYS A PUP FROM A BREEDER THAT IS NOT BREEDING FOR THE BEST OF THE BREED THEN YOU ARE SUPPORTING THAT BREEDER TO KEEP DOING IT. STUDY ALL BREEDERS BEFORE BELIEVING SOMEONE JUST BECAUSE they look good at first. Look for a balance in it all. If a breeder breeds for only one thing then other important problems are being ignored. Breeding for ONE thing is a GIMMICK to make sales. It is not a sin to make money from breeding collies but think about how much harder it would be for someone that wants money from breeding collies, to really come out ahead if they spend a lot for getting the right breeding collies? There has to be a balance in all things to get the best of something. Shop around. See the collies in person. Notice if someone claims something that really is not so from what you saw for yourself. There are some tests available that can rule out some diseases but only a very few so far.There are so many more things in all dogs, not just collies. There are things in humans that can not be known by DNA testing either. If you buy from a breeder that tests for all the available tests then the breeder has made an informed decision on the parents of the litter. If a breeder has truly been breeding and showing same lines for many years then they know their lines well ,and might not need all the tests and can still be trusted. But some breeders do not want to waste money . Some breeders do not show , or go out doing things with collies, or compare their collies to others in person. A buyer has a lot to think about in the middle of just trusting a breeder. With those few special tests available, a bad test parent can be bred to a non carrier of the disease and get pups that will be fine. some might be "carriers' but are perfectly healthy and even 'great' for breeding if the breeder knows what they are breeding together. ( non carriers are hard to find then there is the need to find several non carriers of one each for several tests) It is difficult to be a breeder that breeds for the tested things and there are millions of bad genes and many risks anyway in all species, so stay away from gimmicks of one or two things. Do look at breeders that aim for quality. True quality will show up in a healthy collie line that has proven good conformation from a show line or a breeder that learns by doing activities, one that does enough health tests that are available , and that know their own line from a history of activities with their collies,and shows their knowledge by breeding only collies that look like collies that have the value of the price they ask from you. There are breeders that love the collie so much that their guarantee will cover the risk the best they can. There are people out there that breed the collie as a business income without the love to do real things with their collies. Keep in mind that all pups are cute and you might be paying a lot of money for pups that will not grow up to look like a collie. The papers do not mean everything. A bad test in one of the parents does not mean your pup will have that problem. It just means the parent is from a breeder that has tested and is doing things to know their lines.But make sure the breeder also does other things with their own collies to keep up their own mind learning about their own collies. You might get excited with owning your collie and desire to compete in agility or herding someday. Then you will want your collie to be from lines with correct conformation. If the head conformation from your collies lines is straight enough to not have bite problems and if the head is correct then the eyes of your puppy will be or stay set safely in their eye sockets to have a better chance to not have sight and eye problems later. Conformation qualities are things that are also health tests.It matters that your pup comes from a line of collies that are built well if you want the best chance for your pup to grow up to not have health problems in joints, bones, muscles.The breeder them selves need to know the conformation qualities of the lines and be out doing activities with collies. Remember you aim is for an all round best chance for a healthy collie that looks like a collie. There are many things that no breeder can claim will not happen. Just like with humans we never know when something can pop up wrong later in our own human bodies or family trees. We, as breeders, can not find or rule out the BAD GENES . Those genes are floating around in ALL DOGS AND ALL COLLIES. it is NOT one of those easy tests where we can get rid of the disease . Some DNA tests for some diseases are great. Conformation IS IMPORTANT so do not settle for a 'farm' collie that is not the grand form of beauty! (farm collies carry the diseases also) There are only some tests that rule out some things. Remember there are many things in ALL dogs of ALL breeds that have Many PROBLEMS that have NO tests to find. Same with humans. It is a toss up of genes. there are some kidney things and hip things and many other things that no breeder can fight away. We can all just try to keep the odds against the bad things. The DNA tests are expensive and add up and showing is expensive so the price will reflect those costs. Beware that backyard breeders will also ask those prices without the showing, enough tests, or the complete collie knowledge. There are new breeders that have no collies from their 'own' breedings. So be careful that two collies bred together from well known champion line does NOT mean you are getting a healthy breeding. Only the original breeder knew those choices, not always the new breeder or back yard breeder. Be careful.Two champions bred together can make problem pups with terrible conformation problems if the breeder was not the original breeder or not mentored by the original breeder.







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